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Red Merle To A Red Tri Makes All Red?

by Carissa
(Tampa, Fl)

Cherry is the merle and Comet is the tri

Cherry is the merle and Comet is the tri

I have a red merle Australian shepherd female and red tri male that I plan to breed when they are both old enough. I have talked to several breeders and done my own research and have found that when a red is bred to a red it produces all red puppies... which is what want. However, I just talked to a Vet and he told me no?

So what kind of puppies will I get? All red merles and red tris or a mix??

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Red
by: Av8r091

Depends on which color is dominant, if red and black are dominant/recessive genes. If red is recessive, and there are no other recessive alleles for that trait, then expect red tri and red Merle offspring from a red Merle red tri cross.

You never know
by: Anonymous

I bred my blue merle with my red tri and got 4 black tris and one blue merle. From my knowledge, you can end up with any variety of colors. Unless your reds come from an entirely red bloodline you could very well end up with black tris or blue merles or even a tri merle. We're hoping to get a red Merle one day, but it's never guaranteed what you will wind up with.

Genetics
by: Anonymous

The gene for red dogs is recessive so breeding a red to a red merle will produce all red or red merle puppies. The merle ing gene is separate from the color gene. So there are basically 2 colors for Aussies, black and red with black being dominant. There are other genes that effect color but the base gene will be BB (black) Bb (black that carries red) or bb (red). Both your dogs are bb so all puppies produced by them will be bb or red. The genes that affect markings are a little more complicated and I'm still learning about them myself. There was a great website that explained all the color genes with pictures of real life examples bit I can't find it any more.

Red pups
by: Anonymous

I have a red Merle male and bred with red tri. I was blessed with 5 red Merle and 7 red tri pups. No blue and no black. Beautiful litter of reds.

Red Merle to Red Tri
by: Mary Walton

That is what you should get but last litter I got a beautiful blue tri that is not a recognized AKC color. When I researched this is a recessive of the red color.

Color determination
by: Dan V.

Aussie coloration is determined by a gene made of two alleles (one from each parent). The black allele is dominant and the red is recessive. That means any dog in which any part of the pair is black will be always a black/black bi/black tri/blue merle. In order for a dog to be red both alleles must be red. A red dog can never carry a black allele since it would then be black instead and so two reds can never produce a black pup.

Now, a black dog can carry the red allele and still be black. The red allele can still be passed to the pups, so breeding a black and a red or even two blacks can produce red pups.

Your pups should be a mix of red merles and red tris, but no blacks at all.

breeding
by: Anonymous

you breed a red to a red merle you will get an all red litter, it could be all red tri's or all red merles or a combo of both.
if you breed a red to a blue or black you will get most likely get blue's and black's and they will be red factored so if you breed one of those pup with a red you could get all 4 colors.

Thanks for the response!
by: Carissa

Thank you so much everyone for all of the feedback!
So I am going to get all reds, like I thought unless we get recessive reds-which would be awesome!!
I had already done quite a bit of research regarding colors(not really the merling or not cause that doesn't too much matter to me lol) and when the Vet told me everything I thought was right was wrong I was so thrown! Comets(male) Mom was a very LIGHT red almost blonde and his Dad was a blue merle. Cherrys(female) Mom was black tri and her Dad was also a blue merle but I know red is recessive and that Cherrys parents both came from a red parent as well.

Mary Walton-would love to see a pic of that pup!

Coat Genetics Charts
by: Anonymous

I found a great webpage that shows what you get with each different breeding: Coat Genetics


My Pup was Born from Such a Litter
by: Nicholle

Don't know if it's too late to contribute or not, but I basically paid in full for a pup from two red parents (red tri dad and red merle, almost blond mom) and yes, as far as I know, the litter is a combo of reds. I didn't ask to see pictures of them all though, cuz I wanted a male specifically. Mom had two males. Red bi, and red merle with somewhat off markings (he has a white head except one of his ears is colored, but the rest of his body is normal). But yeah, I wouldn't worry too much, you'll probably get the colors you want, although in a rare case, a blue might show up. ^.^

helpful article
by: Anonymous

Read this informative article by the folks at the Australian Shepherd Club of America. You will find your answer: all red.

Color of Pups
by: lbrown2969@yahoo.com

All I know is I have had these dogs for ever love them and have been looking for a red tri please contact me! I'm sure they all will be beautiful !

all reds
by: Anonymous

I cannot see a date, so for all I know this was posted 2 years ago!

Anyhow, thought I would still answer just in case.

Someone said in the rare case you may get a blue merle. No. You won't. A red x red litter will produce ONLY reds.

Black (B) is dominant. Red (b) is recessive. BB and Bb are both black dogs. A red dog is always bb.

Merle is a color modifier, or pattern, not a color itself. Merle (M) is dominant to a solid (m). So Mm is a merle dog. mm is a solid dog. And MM is a double merle (which you want to avoid).

Breeding a red merle (bbMm) to a solid red (bbmm) will produce both merles and solids, but again, only reds. It doesn't matter if one of them has a blue or black parent.

Best way to help visualize it would be to use a punnett square :)

Hope I wasn't too late to help!

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